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  Do You Hate The Jehovah's Witness Religion?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see some here who seem to despise the religion.

  others seem to feel that witnesses are wacky but they don't hate them.. do you hate this religion?.

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  Bungi Bill

  With a passion!

  Bill.
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  The GB really do not want us to think for ourselves Mar 15th WT

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i know that some of you might think that i really should be reading the wt but with a husband still in and being that i am still very tied to the religion though him i want to know what is up with them in some ways.. the march 15th wt made me feel sick.

  on page 5 it was talking about how we need to wait on jehovah.

  it was really the same old stuff but i feel with a different twist.

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  All this nonsense would be quite laughable - were it not for the fact that anybody who takes it seriously is going to harm themselves.

  They have been preaching the same cracked record for one-and-a-half centuries, and how many generations of believers have acted on this "advice" to their detriment?

  i.e. Declining to undertake College Education, putting off having families, not preparing for old age (a sore point with me these days - staring down the barrels of that, and with no retirement savings to speak of - all donated to the WTS!)

  I regard them (the JWs) as a straight out menace in the community.

  Bill.
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  J.W. are.................

  by bobld in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they hold in reverence (godlike,deity) the gb.. when god (gb) speaks there is vital reason to listen.

  d.c.. receiving jehovahs' (gb) instructions.d.c.. even when they made mistakes,jesus did not question,their motives.don't question gb motives.

  "my follower" book.. new song book.one sister wrote"a delightful gift from jehovah(gb).yearbook 2011 why 2011 when year is only 11 days.old song book from jehovah(gb) had to many mistakes.however sister above taught it was a gift from jehovah when it first came out as all the other ones that had to be re-vised.. whatever the gb says it is from god per all j.w.. my conclusion j.w.

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  I start running out of unpleasant adjectives with which to describe the JWs:

  - a good, old fashioned "Pain in the Backside" would be one appropriate description!

  Bill.
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  Made up field service experience at yesterday's Public Talk

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember the made up stories of witnesses in djibouti,africa where they had to walk 2 days in alligator infested waters with no shoes in the blazing sun to attend the meetings?

  they made it to the meetings in these terrible conditions.. talk about made up stories!

  here is a field service experience that was told at yesterday's public talk which would fall into the made up stories!.

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  The only "dog" story I know from field service was when I one day managed to stomp on ones head with my heel , as it came at me from behind (it was a rather low- to- the- ground type of breed, but could still have inflicted a serious enough bite).

  There certainly were no angels about that day - none that I could see, anyway!

  They have to come up with something to delay people from nodding off to sleep during their public talks, and "Never let the truth get in the way of a good Public Talk" seems to be as good a way as any!

  Bill.
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  "Look it wasn't a global flood.."

  by Qcmbr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've heard the statement from bible apologists so many times that the global flood story of genesis was not a global flood but was probably a local flood.

  this seems problematic.. this directly disagrees with the bible.

  everywhere the bible internally references a global flood of worldwide scale (i'll throw in matthew 24:39 as a nt example and genesis 6:17 as a ot example.

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  "Throwing away the bible" : - I threw away religion, in all its forms, when I broke with the JWs:

  - they are all the bloody same, no matter who they are.

  (I actually had little use for religion before I met up with the Witnesses. They, however, seemed to be somehow different - it took 28 years for the reality to become apparent).

  The bible may be a reasonably accurate history of the Hebrew people - but that is all:

  - Its stories about such things as Creation and The Flood were attempts by people to explain, as best they could, the things they saw around them or saw going on around them.

  There could well have been a catastrophic flood somewhere, early in the history of the human race. It could indeed have happened in that area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in the Middle East . To the people involved, it may well have seemed that the "Whole World" - as they knew it - was inundated. But to insist, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that the whole Noachin story MUST be a literal one is surely taking matters far too far!

  The problem is that if you agree to accept on blind faith such stories as this, then where does it end? You then proceed to go on to accept more and more unlikely stories, and end up convincing yourself that the bible/ the koran / the whatever is the inspired Word of God:

  - then, you have set yourself up to be controlled and manipulated by some religion.

  -and next thing you know you have just volunteered to be a suicide bomber / a burner of heretics at the stake / a sacrificer of your children (whether from refusing them a blood transfusion, or by burning them on an altar)/ or something else equally as harmful; but all in the name of religion (which you learned from some collection of scientifically inaccurate writings).

  All I can say is leave me out of it - right from the bloody start!

  Bill.
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  DO WE NEED TO BELONG TO A RELIGION TO BE A "SPIRITUAL PERSON"?

  by foodalls in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been noticing people posting on this site have a "deep" spiritual desire, but don't quite know how to find it, or where it is at.. this beg the question...do we need to be involved with a "religion" to find "spirituality"...especially an "organized religion"???.

  anyone that has there eyes open can see that all religion is loosing their influence over people around the world...i spent 47 years thinking i was in the "truth" being one of jw's!

  and now that i am out...and looking back from the "outside"...all i see is that its just another religion...filled with all the "control-grid" stuff found in any other group.. worse yet...they are worse than other religions...so it begs an answer..is there such thing as a "true religion"???.

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  Merely belonging to a religion does not in itself make a person spiritual:

  - I have known more than a few regular church goers; all of whom being many things, but being spiritual is not one of them!

  Conversely, "membership" of a religion is not an essential prerequisite for being spiritual.

  This term "spiritual" is a very broad one, linked with the right-hand hemisphere of the human brain, which encompasses the intuitive / creative / artistic / imaginative type activities:

  - and the often at complete loggerheads with rationality / analytic thinking type activities.

  Therein be the problem - it makes it all too easy to be captured, controlled and exploited by some religion claiming itself to be "The Truth."

  A little controlled silliness here and there may be harmless enough - but when it starts to demand throwing ones life away by refusing essential medical treatment (eg. blood therapy), suicide bombings or the like, then matters have surely gone too far!

  So is there a "true" religion?:

  - No, and steer clear of anyone who claims to represent such a thing, because such a claim is just a setup for mind control and manipulation.

  Bill.

  PS:The pity is that most of us here were once under the illusion that being "spiritual" meant hawking Watchtower products around people's doorsteps!
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  Found a Porn Mag at work tonight

  by Darth plaugeis in

  1. social
  2. humour

  and i laughed and laughed..... why would anyone need to buy porn in 2011??.

  i laughed my balls off............of course i kept it...i didn't buy it.. and the wife wondered the same thing.. i thought print was dead!.

  isn't there enough free porn on the internet????.

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  Careful, fella:

  - looking at that stuff will make you go blind!

  (says me, while wearing my prescription lenses)

  Bill.
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  I need a show of hands: who believes the Bible and to what extent?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'll start off.. i don't believe anything is divine about bible writings.

  i believe there may be some marginal history although not much.

  i think alot of folk tales and regional myths are contained in the old testament.

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  Bungi Bill

  It depends on what is meant by the word "believe."

  If to believe in the bible means to accept it as a history (but not the only history) of the Hebrew people, and their attempt to explain the world around them, then I can accept that. But that is all!

  - As for it being an accurate historical record: not unless it is confirmed by other sources.

  - As for it being a moral code: the "Eye for an Eye" talk (and other revolting practices) of the Old Testament fail badly.

  - As for it being an accurate scientific record: the bible is not even close.

  - And as for it being a collection of writings that are inspired by some divine being: no bloody way! (Not one I would want to worship, anyway).

  Bill.
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  In 25 Years Will The WT.Organization Still Be Around?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think so.

  and i doubt it'll grow much, if at all, but i think it will still be around.. what do you think?.

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  As a general rule of thumb, it would seem that the more unpleasant something is, the less likely it is to disappear:

  - just like the rats and cockroaches that survive a nuclear explosion, when everything else has been exterminated.

  Unfortunately, there is a certain percentage of the population that automatically gravitates towards the cults. As long as that minority is around for them to draw on, the likes of the JWs will remain.

  Their membership may well turn over:

  - that certainly happened in the wake of past upheavals

  eg. The death of CT Russell, and JF Rutherford's seizure of power. Then, the failure of prophecy in 1925 , and the subsequent loss of 75% of their membership. Not to mention failure of prophecy regarding 1975, and the upheaval that followed! Also, more recently, the revision(s) of "The Generation" thing.

  Membership comes, membership goes - but the WTS always manages a Houdini act each time, and seems to somehow escape.

  Then, like that proverbial old penny, "keeps turning up."

  Bill.
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  Elder said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i sat in on the "know your options" reading tonight, and the elder said a couple things i was wondering about:.

  1. he said if a doctor says you have a high risk of dying if you refuse a blood transfusion, he is misleading you.

  he said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion.

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  During my time with the JWs, I can recall a general attitude amongst them whereby a lot of non-medical people (and generally,poorly educated ones as well) thought they knew more about medicine than any doctor did.

  Did anyone else notice this?

  Throughout its history, the Watchtower Society has regularly denigrated medical science:

  - in Joseph Rutherford's time, they were dead set against vaccinations.

  He is on record as being of the opinion that the "increase in sexual immorality" was due to these filthy particules being let loose in a person's bloodstream. Furthermore, that attitude continued on for many decades after his death. I personally knew more than a few in the congregations who refused to allow their children to be immunised. (I was assured by one brother that the risks of contracting tetanus from the vaccine were greater than the risks of catching the disease if you weren't immunised!)

  Also during Rutherford's time the WTS endorsed a number of what could only be described as "Quack's Cures." One was some sort of radio transmitter that you grabbed by two handles, and had a radio frequency electric current fed through your body - said to be extemely beneficial by its inventor, and recommended by The Editor of the Awake magazine. Sunbathing was also recommended - i.e. giving your skin a good, healthy dose of Ultra Violet radiation (the ideal time for sunbathing was said to be while the UV rays were at their maximum - best time to get skin cancer!). Another highly recommended, WTS endorsed medical therapy of those years was to regularly reverse-flush yourself with the garden hose.

  Then there was the Dr. Linus Pauling thing of 1971.

  He claimed, and the WTS reported it, that daily mega-doses of Vitamin C would prevent a person from ever catching the common cold. Because this was reported in that scientific journal, Awake, many in the congregations interpreted it that the "Society" endorsed these claims about Vitamin C. (As it turned out, Linus Pauling may have been a Nobel Prize winner, but he was off the mark with his claims about this particular vitamin).

  The Watchtower Society's continual bashing of Higher Education makes it easier to slip such nonsense in - including the those remarks about blood transfusion mortality (as quoted in the title of this thread):

  - after all, it has been well established that reading of the Watchtower and Awake magazines gives one at least the equivalent of a medical degree!

  Bill.